2024-07-27 Saturday Peaceful Freedom Rally
11:00am - 12 noon Markham and Lawrence
Nurse Sarah A. Choujounian’s ongoing disciplinary hearing 2024-07-22
Ms Choujounian, hereafter Sarah as her lawyer Mr. Boissonneau-Lehner called her, continued her testimony in chief today by finishing with the College standards documents and going over her speech at Yonge and Dundas #1 and social media posts #2 - #7 at issue in Appendix “A” of her notice of hearing. Please refer to the notice of hearing for the description of each post.
Her testimony followed a similar pattern for each item. Her lawyer would play any video associated with each item to give the panel the full context while asking Sarah to clarify and justify elements of the post as they went through it. Sarah explained her thought process and research. She generally searched on the internet and/or relied on other health professionals such as doctors. For #7, she found the fetal cell lines used to produce the AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson vaccines on government websites. She did initially post an incorrect fetal cell line for the AstraZeneca vaccine, but was correct in saying a fetal cell line was used to produce that vaccine. She also pointed out that reposting does not imply full agreement and that there is value in promoting public discussion and debate about controversial items - presumably setting the groundwork for a Charter 2b argument.
In my opinion Ms Choujounian’s basic common sense approach turned out to be a lot more correct than the official Public Health response. But College lawyer Megan Shortreed was heads down taking notes throughout most of the hearing. I expect the College will attempt to hold Ms Choujounian to a PHD research level of perfection on cross examination.
The College raised a hearsay objection for #3 PCR testing. I believe the parties agreed that it was hearsay relative to establishing the truth of the content but the narrative was relevant to charges of misinformation. I.e. that hearsay could be relevant. I think the panel allowed the questioning to continue. The College objected to the relevance of questioning Sarah on the details of Dr. Hodkinson’s video in #6 since it was Sarah’s summary of the video, not the video itself that the College charged. Mr. Boissonneau-Lehner ended up just playing the rest of the video for context without further questioning Sarah about it.
Reminder: the next hearing for nurse Sarah Choujounian is Friday August 2nd typically starting at 0930. Presumably testimony will cover the remaining items #8 - #12 in the notice of hearing. The College may start it’s cross examination. Contact HearingsAdministrationGroup@cnomail.org for the YouTube link. If anyone else also takes notes, I’d be interested in sharing the work and/or comparing notes.
Legal Disclaimers: I remain not a lawyer and missed parts of the hearing today so please absolutely don’t rely on this as legal advice. Unfortunately the CNO does not permit recording the hearing so these comments are largely from notes/memory. Presumably there will be an official transcript available at cost if you require legally reliable information.
Rally at Markham and Lawrence this Saturday from 11:00am - 12 noon
Please bring a freedom related sign, flag, flyers etc. if you have them.
I will be at or near Markham and Lawrence, ending up directly outside Healthy Planet in Cedarbrae Mall towards noon.
Raw Notes
2024-07-22 Sarah Testimony continues
- Nurses supporting Public Health Measures
- additional resources: social media
reflect before you post (2013)
friend request, confidentiality about co-workers, not relevant
- common expectations guidelines,
informative, not normative agree with the guidelines and believes she followed them
Notice of Hearing, posts
(Notice of Hearing, Appendix A #1)
- 2020-10 Speach at Yonge and Dundas organized by the Line, Georges Laroche invited her to speak
- at least 10K people
- 2020-11-01 posted speach on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Nurses Against Lockdowns, Twitter
- not all health professionals agreed, invited other health professionals to join
- concerns about lockdown and collateral damage
- wrote herself, no one reviewed before she gave the speach
- most vulnerable: elderly, children, mental health
- nursing home $9/day; prisons $15/day for food
- shutting down the economy to "protect" nursing homes when not spending money to feed them
- lockdowns continued, impact on elderly
- mask unsafe for anyone, but most impact on children
- based on in service training about masks they were not being used correctly
- unsafe based on risks vs benefits, increased CO2 increases susceptibility to virus, risk of bacterial pneumonial
- childhood trauma - stress of masks can affect childhood development
- adult stress puts stress on children
- CO2 pulse oximeter - CO2 increased quickly with mask
- personally mask nausea, was going to faint
- stress caused shallow breathing
- oxygen and brain development - Dr Bridle (not admitted) and other experts
- facial identification important to social development, still face experiment, kids learn from our facial expressions
- masks increase risks of predation of children - facilitated at the Gatehouse, learned about sexual abuse and sexual trafficking in Toronto
- harder to recognize who took the child or identify the child
- bemefits - surgical masks to prevent surgeons from dripping fluid into patient
- nurses won against masks during flu season
- n95 mask size tesing required
- bacteria on masks - kids masks under microscope had a lot of growths.
- kids indoctrinated with fear, compliance
- mental health - financial insecurity, isolation, suicides, citing CAMH projections
- objection about relevance
- technical glitch with court reporter recording...
- stress of pandemic channel to something positive
- no point of further lockdowns
- we want a better normal, Nurses Against Lockdowns
- experience speaking at World Financial Group 2K people
Post about comparative danger of COVID (Notice of Hearing, Appendix A #2)
- retweeting video with comment.
- Alfred Laundromont Weber? video, doesn't recall how she found the video
- covid relatively harmless compared to cardiovascular disease - Statistics Canada
- Cardio Vascular diseases 4x Covid, but liquor, weed stores open, gyms closed. Lockdowns didn't make sense from a public health perspective
- harmless was a relative term, not absolute
- wanted to retain credibility, did some research, reposted since it made sense to her
13:04
PCR Test Jason Christoph? programming (Notice of Hearing, Appendix A #3)
- thought might help others understand the PCR Test
- researched through American Front Line Doctors, Cary Mullis, RTPC Test inventor
Hearsay objection
Hearsay for truth of content, narrative relevant to to charges of misinformation
but College has to be able to test the evidence
Hearsay not equal Relevance
13:17 - 13:34 panel deliberates on objection I think they let the questioning continue
- cycling influences results, not a diagnostic tool
- reposting does not mean 100% endorsement, important to promote informed consent
sharing information that is being censored
- government full control over pandemic - maybe indirectly
2020-11-03 post, screenshot of Instagram? (Notice of Hearing, Appendix A #4)
- contents of masks: PCFE carcinogen in some masks per Google, don't know negative impacts of masks
- post of use to other healthcare workers and public, some truth was sufficient, Chris Shaefer wrote a book
no notes for (Notice of Hearing, Appendix A #5)
2020-11-23 Dr. Hodkinson in Alta (COVID test producer) post calls COVID the greatest hoax ever (Notice of Hearing, Appendix A #6)
- Sarah admits the title of the repost which more or less followed the original title was a bit exagerated
and she would have been more careful if she had known she was going to be investigated by the CNO
- management of pandemic was a hoax
- masks useless during the pandemic, no evidence for paper and cloth masks - just virtue signaling
- compliance with masking encourages authorities to push harder
- agree that masks not worn properly, people not educated on how to wear them
- Sarah not sure what a lemming is
- social distancing not effective because SarsCov2 is airbourne
- objection to line by line questioning on video - sustained, Bois-L simply played the rest of the video
2020-12-06 (Notice of Hearing, Appendix A #7)
- box and vaccine insert re fetal cell lines MRC5 (actually used HEK293) used to develop vaccines
- believed it was an insert for the Astra Zeneca vaccine, important for informed consent
- hesitated, couldn't find an insert anywhere else
- did later find on Health Canada? 2021-03-01,
European Medical Agency also mentioned fetal cell lines for Astra Zeneca (Astra Zeneca pulled due to side effects),
College questions authenticity
Immunity BC - talk about fetal cell lines being used in Astra Zeneca and Johnson and Johnson
- cell lines used to grow the vaccine, but not entirely purified out of the vaccine
Health Professionals Communication Risk? 2021-03-01
- vaccine ingredients list
16:21 adjourned to Aug 2nd